An Interview with Paul Ekman, PhD

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Paul Ekman, PhD

Lessons From a Groundbreaking Career: An Interview with Paul Ekman

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About Paul Ekman, PhD

Paul Ekman, PhD is a world renowned psychologist who pioneered the field of studying human emotion as well as truth and deception. Paul was greatly influenced by Darwin's belief in a universality of emotions among humans and dedicated three decades of laboratory research to exploring these ideas. The 2000 meeting with His Holiness drastically altered Paul's research and world view, producing a series of academic articles on emotion and contemplative practice, co-designing the cultivating emotional balance training with Alan Wallace, and co-authoring a book with the Dalai Lama, Emotional Awareness. Paul and his daughter created the Atlas of Emotions at the request and with the support of His Holiness from 2014-2016.

You can find online training tools for emotion recognition and Global Compassion Webisodes with Paul Ekman on his website.

About Eve Ekman, PhD

Eve Ekman is a contemplative social scientist focusing on emotional awareness working in health care, wellbeing, and technology. Eve draws from interdisciplinary skills and first-person experiential knowledge from clinical social work, integrative medicine, contemplative science, and meditation. Eve is a Senior Fellow at the University of California Berkeley Greater Good Science Center, Director of Cultivating Emotional Balance Training Program, and volunteer clinical faculty at the UCSF Department of Pediatrics. Eve is a second-generation emotion researcher and has collaborated with her father, Paul Ekman, on the Atlas of Emotions project. Eve shares her dad's deep love of bagels and is a devout practitioner of cold water ocean play.

To learn more about her work you can visit the Atlas of Emotions, an online website for emotional awareness commissioned by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and co-created by Eve and Paul Ekman. You can also learn more about a contemplative science training for learning emotional balance that was founded by Alan Wallace and Paul Ekman and is currently lead by Eve Ekman and a global teacher network at Cultivating Emotion Balance.

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60 Comments

  1. Juan Luis May 2, 2021 at 6:45 pm - Reply

    Muchas gracias por el trabajo realizado para el bien de la colectividad

  2. Marina Audi May 2, 2021 at 6:52 pm - Reply

    Thanks to the Ekman family to enlight us about the importance of emotions.
    I have a question…
    If emotions and thinking are entangled why is so difficult to common human beings to recognise what they are feeling?
    And also… how is it possible for us to think we are feeling some emotion and be mistaken?
    Is it correct ti say that thinking can produce emotional dulusions?

  3. Mariann Davila May 2, 2021 at 7:02 pm - Reply

    Amazing interview! congratulations and thanks!!!

  4. Roxana May 2, 2021 at 7:36 pm - Reply

    Truly glad to share with you such insight, delightful interview, thanks so much for making it possible.

  5. Ana Moreno de la Fuente May 2, 2021 at 7:44 pm - Reply

    This interview was sooooo nice. Dr. Paul Ekman is so clear, I would spend hours listening to him, and Eve os great too. Yo see them both interacting was beautiful. Thank you so much!

  6. LaDonna Dell'Era May 2, 2021 at 8:03 pm - Reply

    Thank you both for sharing your knowledge, humor but most of all your love.

  7. vivian kurz May 2, 2021 at 8:08 pm - Reply

    Ev, that was such a beautiful discussion. The power and energy and love coming from your father and you was spectacular. I wanted to just stay and listen more and more. He has so much to give and thank you for creating this platform.

  8. Regina Reinhardt May 3, 2021 at 3:34 am - Reply

    Beautiful enlightening conversation. Thank you Eve and Paul for your love and kindness offering your life, findings and research to the world population to evolve for the better. Namaste 🌼

  9. Carolina Manfrin May 3, 2021 at 4:46 am - Reply

    What a joy to watch this talk!! Love and wisdom are gold and you share them so wonderfully. Thank you!! For the content and the example. 💟

  10. Cliff May 3, 2021 at 4:54 am - Reply

    So powerful, heartwarming, and joyous to see you two engaged with each other and the topic so compassionately. Hugs from the UK. :). Cliff.

  11. Jim Musante, LPC May 3, 2021 at 5:10 am - Reply

    First, it was a delight to not only observe the clear professional respect exchanged between both Dr Ekmans’ but the obvious love you both share for each other AND the love of the exploration of emotions and their role in our lives. Second, I was inspired early in my professional career as a psychotherapist to read Dr. Ekman’s (Sr) model of the basic emotions (he concludes, six, I offer only four are “distinct and unique”). I am disappointed that, even decades later, the simplicity and logic of these few Distinct affective states (be it four or six) has been lost and conflated in confusion and contrast to their correlation to thought and action (behaviors). I offer that in contrast to his clear and simple model, and even in a major conference like this, many speakers overemphasize and suggest that there are dozens (if not hundreds) of emotions and characterizations that are inferred by judgmental descriptors like destructive or constructive emotions, good or bad emotions, etc. is a disservice to that model. I hope that more challenges in subsequent sessions are explored (eg like the one Dr Ekman Sr offered with Dr Ricard when clarifying the difference between an emotion vs an “attitude” of compassion) to the blanket orthodox of perspective already being shown. All in all, an interesting (though predictive) start, so I look forward to see where the rest of the conference goes. Namaste.

  12. Isabelle Vincendon May 3, 2021 at 6:55 am - Reply

    Thank you very much
    From France

  13. tzoumin May 3, 2021 at 9:26 am - Reply

    thank you so much, i am very self centered, and fear of unknown, so grateful for the courage and wisdom of
    1)explored the invisible, might discover undiscovered,
    2)what life is for-help others
    beautiful and inspiring.

  14. Jaya Mohan May 3, 2021 at 10:36 am - Reply

    “Awareness is the key.” So profound, thank you Dr. Paul Ekman you said it all. It was delightful to witness the beautiful father daughter journey down the memory lane in a professional setting. What I loved was how this conversation delved into deeper philosophy of life as well as sparked our sense of curiosity towards an important aspect of our life, ‘Mood’.
    God Bless you both.
    Warm Regards

  15. Kim Breeden May 3, 2021 at 12:00 pm - Reply

    Oh my, I loved this conversation so so much! Eve, the love you two have for each other was so apparent. I enjoyed watching you look at your father with such an admiration and pure love in your eyes. And, of course when ever there is a conversation with Paul, there are so many thoughts to ponder and minds to open. I will be quoting him on his thoughts about moods as well as awareness for many years to come. Thanks for warming my heart.

  16. Will Michael, Phd May 3, 2021 at 12:02 pm - Reply

    Being a student of Marshall Rosenberg, PhD, I am of the believe that unpleasant moods and feelings are indicators of unmet needs and the key to understanding moods is understanding our needs and being able to identify them and seek to make requests for others to help up meet our needs. Marshall wrote about nonviolent communications or, the positive spin, compassionate communication. His work needs to be highlighted in a conference like this. His work is also a primer of emotional intelligence as applied to communication with others and the keys to bringing about peace. love, harmony and bliss to the world one person and one relationship at a time. His teachings need to be a part of everyone’s elementary education. Please look deeper into what he has to offer in these areas of thought.

  17. Jan Yaffe May 3, 2021 at 12:07 pm - Reply

    An inspiring discussion. The last few minutes of your interview together were such a poignant recognition that your Father had for you and his passing of the torch to you with such honor and respect. A beautiful moment between Father and daughter for us all to witness. Thank you.

  18. Lucie Jiraskova May 3, 2021 at 2:04 pm - Reply

    Thank you very much for this very inspiring conversation full of wisdom.
    Best wishes to you from French Alpes

  19. Derek May 3, 2021 at 2:04 pm - Reply

    Thank you so much for the wisdom shared in this interview

  20. christine davies May 3, 2021 at 2:25 pm - Reply

    I loved the poignancy of the two of you being together. It was a beautiful and profound discussion.

  21. Olivier May 3, 2021 at 2:29 pm - Reply

    So much love and complicity between the father and his daughter !

  22. Urvashi Dutta May 3, 2021 at 3:45 pm - Reply

    Emotions govern our lives and yet not much attention has been given to it. Glad to hear your views on it, to see the amount of work you are doing to bring emotional awareness.

  23. Mari May 3, 2021 at 4:19 pm - Reply

    Such a beautiful 1st day of wisdom!

  24. Jan May 3, 2021 at 4:59 pm - Reply

    Paul Ekman,
    What a lesson!
    Thank you! ❤

  25. Charlie Hunton May 3, 2021 at 5:06 pm - Reply

    What a gift it was to listen to this conversation. Truly inspiring. So much metta, karuna and mudita bouncing around between you and out of the screen to us. Thank you Eve & Paul!

  26. Pamela Shoemaker May 3, 2021 at 5:16 pm - Reply

    Thank you both so much for sharing your wisdom. I am delighted that I had the privilege to meet and listen to you.

    Sincerely, Pamela Shoemaker

  27. LINDA DUDAS May 3, 2021 at 6:10 pm - Reply

    It was a delightful emotion that I felt as I listened and watched Father and Daughter share their work for the benefit of the global community. The love you both share is obvious and I began to miss my Father. How lucky you are to have each other, your emotions and the desire to help others.

    Namaste and Shanti

  28. Kathleen Ryan May 3, 2021 at 8:31 pm - Reply

    Dr. Ekman is a treasure. So happy to be introduced to him, his work, and his perspective on life.

  29. Lucia Cañizares May 3, 2021 at 10:26 pm - Reply

    Clear concepts and organize conversation which I enjoyed. Wonderful relationship between Dad and a daughter and how in a loving a professional manner, there is space to express care and joy for each other. It is a win – win situation. Thanks for this opportunity.

  30. Guy Sferlazza May 3, 2021 at 11:36 pm - Reply

    Eve,
    That was an incredibly sweet interview you did with your father as part of the summit. He brought me so much joy to see you both together talking about these things, basically words cannot express… Thanks to you and to your dad!

  31. Bryan May 3, 2021 at 11:57 pm - Reply

    Hn.

  32. Anne May 4, 2021 at 3:02 am - Reply

    I can not adequately express how moved I was while listening to Dr. P . A gift of lucidity, heart, humor! What great generosity. Many thanks to you both.

  33. Peter Fowelin May 4, 2021 at 3:21 am - Reply

    Sitting here in Sweden in my little house in the countryside with tears in my eyes. Wonderful to see father and daughter in this warm and informative dialogue. And Paul Ekman’s remark about mood was new to me, and it really makes sense. During the pandemic and my own isolated life, it’s been very obvious that my mood changes. It’s like waves, much slower than emotions. A mood can last for days, as Paul E said. So thanks for that! And Eve, you’re doing a wonderful job, hosting this event. <3

  34. Myrddin May 4, 2021 at 4:25 am - Reply

    thank you so much dear father and daughter , dear persons.

    love from Amsterdam

  35. René Guarnaluse Arce May 4, 2021 at 4:33 am - Reply

    I feel drown to honor a life´s work, a pioneer, a researcher of essences that managed also to have the priviledge of living to see and share his experiences with who turned out to be Dr. Ekman Jr. my respects to both of you!

  36. Stephen Pellegrino May 4, 2021 at 5:16 am - Reply

    thank you Eve and Paul. Super nice seeing the two of you together talk.

  37. Diane Boover May 4, 2021 at 5:36 am - Reply

    Thank you, Drs. Ekman! Carrying love on is quite a gift and proof that emotions can and do exist for the good of all if only we are aware of it.

  38. natalie May 4, 2021 at 6:09 am - Reply

    It was such a pleasure to look at both of you and to listen to you. Thank you

  39. Helen May 4, 2021 at 6:20 am - Reply

    Thank you so much for letting us be part of your conversation. I found it so helpful, reassuring and inspiring.❤

  40. David Berry May 4, 2021 at 6:32 am - Reply

    Thank you two for the lovely and insightful interview.

  41. Karen Margrete Olsen May 4, 2021 at 6:47 am - Reply

    Thank you for exploring emotions and moods for us, so that we can be aware of ourselves on more than just the level of thought. And thank you to other listeners for your comments, making me feel part of a larger community.

  42. Els May 4, 2021 at 7:15 am - Reply

    It’s an honour meeting you this way. Thank you both for all your work, all your projects. Would it be ok to post a question?

  43. Olga May 4, 2021 at 10:06 am - Reply

    It is a privilege to be in the virtual presence of you both! I just wish my sons can look at me the way you look at your Dad. The importance of emotions and feeling we have that drive us; consciously and unconsciously. “Without emotions we are dead”

  44. Kim Kirsch May 4, 2021 at 10:42 am - Reply

    A fan and follower of Dr Eckman for many years, I am touched to witness his interactions with his daughter and heartened to know she carries his intentions forward. What a great session!

  45. Julie Potiker May 4, 2021 at 11:27 am - Reply

    That was a beautiful interaction, so much love and respect passing between the two of you. I felt my emotions while I was busy taking notes, so engaged and happy as my core value of life long learning was being activated. After the session concluded, I felt tears arise because I miss my Dad, who passed a little over a year ago. He passed away at 87, the same age as Paul, and his name was also Paul! He and I shared a great love, respect and tenderness toward each other. He was a great rationalist, and an atheist to the end. So…my database of stored memories of my relationship with my father, influenced how I saw Eve and Paul, and how I felt about how I saw Eve and Paul. It is interesting to feel the emotion arise, and watch it disperse. I personally use SNAP which I devised to manage difficult emotions. Soothing Touch for the S, to get some oxytocin going; Name the emotion for the N, to make some room around it and give time to get my PFC on board to make a more skillful response; Apply appropriate Mindful Method for the A, which is any one of a grab bag of tools to shift my feelings, like a grounding exercise, or shifting my attention through the different senses, pulling up a memory with a positive mood attached to it and re-experiencing it, et; and finally the P in SNAP is proceed with Self-Compassion; what do I need right now? This goes along with the tool I used, and then really feel good that I managed it, not to bypass the feeling, but to soothe myself because it hurts. This usually does lessen it, shift it, sometimes makes it go away – but the importance is the intention: to love myself because I’m suffering. I get great eudaemonia from teaching Mindful Self-Compassion!

  46. Tim Mitchell May 4, 2021 at 11:36 am - Reply

    That really was a beautiful interview. So tender and embodied. Thank you so much

  47. TARA Hasnain May 4, 2021 at 12:01 pm - Reply

    Hi from Tara in Singapore!I found this session very useful, but was also deeply moved to see the father- daughter interaction- what an inspiration he must have been to Eve! May she enjoy his love for a long time yet!

  48. Barbara Barragan May 4, 2021 at 1:52 pm - Reply

    A complete pleasure seeing both together. Thanks!!!

  49. Cindy Stader May 4, 2021 at 2:30 pm - Reply

    Hello, Cindy from Holland, Michigan. Oh my, that was wonderful. I am glad I was watching the recording because I had to stop and replay several parts In order to jot notes. Thanks to both of you!

  50. Bettina Stöhr May 4, 2021 at 2:35 pm - Reply

    Dear Dr. Ekman, whenever I here a talk with you, I feel sad that your micro expression training is so expensive it’s really only available to well off people. I so much wish that there would be ways to open it up to more people. I’ve read all your books and thank you greatly for them, but they only bring you so far, and as an Aspie the training would have gone such a way augmenting the hard work I was doing by myself. It’s difficult not to appear offensive when you closely observe other peoples faces in the tram ;-). I’m ok now without it, but I do think it would bring so much understanding into the world if some of the training was more available to everybody.

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